Sunday, May 5, 2013

THE GREAT GATSBY - Chapter 6 Analyses

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  1. Guess I'm first. Gatsby is a character. A reinvention of himself, which is ironic considering he's a character, playing a character, in a book (if anyone can follow, well done). The author even lends a hand to this reinvention by writing "The truth was that Jay Gatsby of West Egg, Long Island, sprang from his Platonic conception of himself". This isn't like the chicken or the egg paradox (as we know James Gatz came before Jay Gatsby) but this representation that he gave birth to himself is awesomely weird. -Miguel Fernandez, Period 5

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  2. Gatsby is a manifestation of his own desires and is expressed as another person would see him. The book hints out by mentioning "... they were a satisfactory hint of the unreality of reality." He is fond of his accomplishments and wishes to see the full picture thus creating his own "imaginary friend". His bewildering expression of his own story creates an urge for the reader to continue putting the puzzle pieces together. - Richard Delgado, Period 2

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  3. Gatsby is a character that is complex in his own way. He has grown in wealth but he is still lingering in the past. He is the character that believes that money can indeed buy anything, and that's not how it is. He believes that he can recreate the past, but you can never go back, just forward. The author molded Gatsby as a man that can achieve anything when he is determined, but he highlights the fault that with money and power, you begin to lose yourself. The author demonstrates how money and power won't bring you happiness, it just brings you a life of loneliness.

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  4. Gatsby is another person; he is the second person to james gatz. gatz created gatsby because he wanted another life, a life that wont be himself. the author pointed in the beginning that "he invented just the sort of jay gatsby that a seventeen year old would". he didnt wanted to look back but just forward, not james gatz but jay gatsby, a man he sees himself as.

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    1. But isnt that the whole point of Gatsby trying to get Daisy? He wants what he had with her back then, he doesnt want to let go of the past, he wants to hold on to it as much as he possibly can and if that means that he has to be as extravagant as possible and as mysterious as the moon then so be it. I doubt he even wants to remember James Gatz.

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  5. Gatsby hold on to the past preventing him from moving ahead. His love for Daisy was the second influential factor in his life that transforms him completely up until the present. His beliefs are rooted in the past. " Can't repeat the past?...Why of course you can!" His obsession with capturing and retaining the ' good-old- days' has became a liability. Gatsby failure to realize and accept this will led to his destruction not just in the physical sense, but mentally and emotionally. The Fitzergald show that Gatsby will not be able to move forward because he is looking behind.

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    1. I agree! I don't mean to backtrack, but I interpreted the falling clock in chapter 5 to be symbolic. Fitzgerald simply could have written Gatsby had knocked over a photograph or a vase while talking to Daisy. Upon reading "He thought a lot about the past...he wanted to recover something..." near the ending of chapter 6, I linked the falling clock as Gatsby tampering with time.

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  6. Continuing on with the Gastby/Gatz discussion, I would like to add the odd appraisal I found for this "reinvented" Gatsby. Gatz the so called poor man(who really knows the truth at this point,) converted himself into a "vague contour--filled out to the substantiality of a man." While some may argue the arrogance and deceit that encompasses Mr. Gatsby, he has seemingly gone through exceedingly great lengths to achieve his wealth and stature. He becomes what he choses to become, what he wishes to become. Isn't that what we all strive for ourselves anyway?

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  7. I'd like to bring up Daisy's revulsion of the West Egg. On page 107 in the second paragraph it is vividly described just how little she enjoys the West Egg she is "appalled" by it. She could never really stay there even if it was with Gatsby because she didn't like it at all. Which bring me to the fact that Daisy is greedy, she doesn't really love anyone. Not really. So when she's asked to make a choice between Gatsby and Tom, it's like asking her to choose between the West and East Eggs. No matter what waits for her in the West, she will stay in the East.

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  8. I think that for Gatsby he doesn't know if he should move on or not. Even though he loves Daisy he still looks back and dwells on the past. On the bottom paragraph on pg 99 and top paragraph on pg 100 he describes his history with women. He was a player but that now hes older he realizes what he has done and it haunts him.

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  9. Gatsby's emotions are explained and exposed when the author mentions that "his heart was in a constant, turbulent riot." Gatsby's character is now recognized by the author, (as it were in the past chapters) and how it contrasts with the personality Gatsby had originally presented. It's interesting to see how much the narrator, Nick, knows about the expensive man, if he is coined as mysterious and reserved. At least reserved in his thoughts; not so much secretive when it came to his parties and balls. At that moment, it led me to speculation about Gatsby's true character as he unfolds in the coming chapters.

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  10. Gatsby believes that money can win over anything - even someone's heart. However, that may not always the case. Money can't buy five years that went down the drain and as much as Gatsby tries to change things back to normal, he faces a one way road that prevents I'm from doing so. How things once were between him and Daisy may never go back to the way their passionate love once was, but at least it's a start. - Ramsey Luce, Pd. 2

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  11. Gatsby is the man every guy wants to be. He's rich, all the women want him, and he always gets what he wants. He wants Daisy and has waited five years for her. Now that he has brought her close to him, he knows that he has her love. His mysterious past is still in question, but Nick has developed a sort of admiration for the man. Gatsby is not thinking about Daisy's daughter, though. That prevents a challenge for Gatsby, in which, Tom and Daisy will always have a special love for each other through the child. -Erik Ortiz; Period 6

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  12. Gatsby’s “love” for Daisy is so powerful that he seems to have no sight or vision for anything else anymore. The millions of dollars that can be found in his house seem worthless to him if Daisy is not awed by them. All his memories with Daisy have clouded his mind, and his future. Nick comes to the realization that Gatsby is attempting to relive the past (pg.110), and in the following paragraph, Fitzgerald highlights how Gatsby is trying to recreate what he wishes would have happened five years ago, because to him, the “future” he is envisioning is just an illusion set up by false expectations and lost opportunities… and Daisy’s mind tricks. For if Daisy really wanted to leave with him, wouldn’t she? Take her daughter and just leave? Such a simple act for a “foolish” girl like Daisy. It is ironic how in the earlier chapters she stated how “that's the best thing a girl can be in this world, a beautiful little fool.” , while when it comes to Tom and Gatsby, she is being anything but a fool, even if Gatsby is to blinded by love to see it. His vision is blinded by lost love and nostalgia, which results in his time travels, but if he continues traveling to the past, does he have a future?

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  13. Poor Gatsby is rejected to the max. in this chapter. It is exposed how Gatsby pays more attention to one person’s enjoyment rather than all his guests. Gatsby’s kindness does not let him commit an action that would have probably changed everything: kicking the local douche, Tom, out of HIS party. Overwhelmed by Tom’s appearance, all Gatsby wants is to be with Daisy just like in the good ol’ times. Tom assumes that Gatsby is a bootlegger and all we hear from him is negative comments. When Daisy and his inconsiderate husband leave, Gatsby is heartbroken since he believes that she did not enjoy the party as she was supposed to in the first place. He is confident that the past can be brought to the future, but Nick basically tells him that he needs to stop looking back and start moving forward.

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  14. The Dan Cody character revealed a part of Gatsby’s real background and how he received his money. He admits another portion being from drug deals that could’ve been concluded earlier due to his connection with Wolfshein. The second awkward moment with Gatsby and Tom seemed to be foreshadowing an event to come where Tom and Gatsby will come face to face with their or issue. I found it romantic how Gatsby invited Daisy over for a party, until Tom tagged along. But of course, she was only happy when she danced with him, not Tom, this truly expressed her school girl love. Nick’s conclusion brought a good perspective forward over Gatsby’s infatuation with Daisy. He concluded that he’s gone crazy without Daisy, and is now once again strongly in love. Gatsby’s memory confirmed his mind is stuck on the past when he focuses on the event when he first kissed Daisy.( I noted “Better not be Romeo and Juliet all over Leonardo Decaprio, don’t sacrifice yourself over a dumb romance!” (--This was honestly BEFORE I read the ending !!!) )

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  15. In this chapter Fitzgerald in essence breaks down the mysterious wall surrounding the "Great Gatsby." When Nick recalls on the newspaper journalist who comes snooping for information he decides to tell us that Gatsby grew up poor. This says so much about the reason why Gatsby is the way he is. Gatsby as "new money" feels a need to flaunt his money and prove himself. Not only to Daisy but to everyone else as well. Gatsby in this chapter is also "feeling himself" much more than he was. He feels comfortable he thinks he has Daisy and that she is going to be his and this contributes to the reason why it was a perfect time for Fitzgerald to knock down the Gatsby allure. Gatsby who up until this point has been very unsure of Daisy and their relationship is now very sure of everything, so when Tom comes over to his house he goes head to head with Tom over Daisy. Even though as revealed in the end of the chapter that as most predicted Gatsby and Daisy are so different that they will probably never be together...and at this point even Gatsby knows that Daisy will never be his because she cannot "understand" because she only lives in the world in her head. Gatsby STILL tries to convince himself (delusionally) that Daisy will be his when he tells Nick that he can "of course" you can repeat the past. - Tatyana Kimbrough

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  16. This chapter.... I wouldn't want to be Gatsby all the money in the world and he doesn't care about it if he doesn't have daisy. I really couldn't have that mindset of living for someone else. Gatsby may have changed but hes still stuck in the past.

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  17. In this chapter, it is evident the the only thing on Gatsby's mind is Daisy, and getting her away from Tom. Going to the point in giving Tom a meaningless title of introduction, Gatsby wants to make tom look like a foreigner in the eyes of Daisy. With the sole perpue of making her happy and not caring about others opinion, Gatsby create a surrounding where the rich can play. Hoping that Daisy would fall in love with the scenario he has played out for her,Gatsby shows how in love he is with her.

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  18. In chapter 6, the author introduces us to Gatsby's past. Gatz created a man who he wanted to become and became just that. It is obvious that he was ashamed of the man that he was therefore created a mysterious man and became part of that mystery.

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  19. Gatsby is a mysterious character that hardly anyone knows about his past but in this chapter it starts off by telling us about his past and how he became that man that he is now. His family was poor and he wanted more so he set off with his bright mind to find a better future. Before he was a player and as time went on he learned and became more mature. With this maturity and higher knowledge he uses it to get what he wants. The thing he wants now is Daisy and the way to get her is through Nick and most importantly Tom. All he cares about is how Daisy feels towards him and no one else.
    -Steph. Z.

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  20. In chapter 6 you find out about Gatsby's past and how he became who he is. In the chapter the author wrote that the current Gatsby (Jay Gatsby) "sprang form a platonic conception from himself' which means that he basically modeled himself after an idealistic version of himself. I also find it interesting that in this chapter they mention Gatsby old friend Dan Cody who died a week after seeing Ella Kaye. It seems to me that Dan Cody's death is the author's way of foreshadowing Gatsby's death in Chapter 8.

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  21. In this chapter we get more of an idea of Gastbys real past, and just what he is thinking. 5 long years have passed and it seems he just assumed they could go back to where they left off. He doesnt seem to care that things have changed and shes married. So when Tom comes by he seems to get a dose of some reality. Even then he will stil fight for her, even though his mystery and money doesnt appeal to her.

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  22. In chapter 7 (I was on a field trip Monday so I'm making up the assignment) Gatsby seems to take a course away from his values. He replaces his guards with people associated with Meyer Wolfshiem. This shows his desire for Daisy is becoming uncontrollable as he strives on to be with her. This might be the end of Gatsby because he is breaking character and is not himself anymore. - Richard Delgado - Period 2

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  23. In chapter 6 Gatsby introduces Daisy to his extravagant get togethers; despite them being hosted by him only to get her attention, he realizes that she 'didn't like it'. This mirrors the book as a whole as, despite him doing all of these things to get her attention, she doesn't like him really, either. - Jessica Marshall

    *Jessica's internet wasn't working so she text me to post hers for her i wrote it EXACTLY as I got it and I received it a tad late I am sorry....*

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  24. In chapter 7 ( I got the days mixed up) Daisy's true light is really shown. Daisy is very 'foolish' .And meeting her daughter only emphasizes that fact. She clearly is hardly ever with her daughter and her only aspiration for her the child is that she grows up being ignorantly foolish just as herself. You really see the difference between West and East Egg in this chapter the way Daisy and Tom act and never really care about anyone else. Tom takes his mistress' call right in front of Daisy with hardly and remorse. Daisy aslo flirts and even kisses Gatsby without even thinking about her husband. This is so awful because it is giving Gatsby false hope he now thinks that even though she is so selfish she will still leave Tom for him.

    Chapter 8 was really the climax of the story and really tugged at my heart strings. Daisy ironically kills Myrtle and Gatsby is wiling to take the wrath for her. He is so concerned for her in this chapter you can't help but hope that they get together. Gatsby waits at her house in the bushes ALL night which really shows us what kind of man he truly is. If he were from East Egg there is no way he would have done any of that just for a woman. Gatsby truly does love her and that is more than evident throughout the book but especially this chapter it shows his undying love for her.
    -Tatyana Kimbrough

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  25. So Gatsby is being a creep still suck in the past.all that money and he's still gotta fight for the lady.i don't really know what else to as since everyone basically got all the good points.

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  26. In chapter 7, Tom first realizes Daisy's affair with Gatsby. He was 'astounded' and looked at her as if she was 'someone he met a long time ago'. Despite his shock at his wife's affection for Gatsby, he tries to act as if nothing had happened. Daisy is much like this with Gatsby; she sees him more as an object that no one else should have but she doesn't really have deep feelings for him in comparison to him.

    In chapter 8 we are shown yet another example of Gatsby's excessive emotions for Daisy. He couldn't possibly leave Daisy until he knew what she was 'going to do'. He describes how he realized (in the past) that he was 'surprised...to find out 'he,loved her'. When he returns from the war (also in the past) and goes to Louisville, he feels as if, if he has searched harder 'he would have found her' but then, as now, she was lost to him, and still lives in the past.
    -Jessica Marshall

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  27. In chapter six, we are able to get a glimpse into the Great Gatsbys' (see what I did there?? ;)) past. We see what kind of a man Gatsby really is. During the previous chapters we receive a certain vibe from Gatsby. He isn't the man he wants people to think he is and in this chapter, we finally see that this facade is real. He wasn't the most modest man around and its evident that he is ashamed of that. Feeding off of what Jessica said, I do think he created this kind of mysterious persona and eventually, got so wrapped up in it, he finally became that mysterious man that he created.


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